Comments on: At the Ivies, Asians are the new Jews http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/ The public policy blog of the American Enterprise Institute Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:53:47 -0400 hourly 1 By: K http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-409022 Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:39:27 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-409022 I think what the writer is saying is that despite the high numbers of minorities in Ivy League schools now, there are still more being turned away despite having perfect grades and extra-curricular testimonials.
The fact is that minority groups (Asians in this case) are doing so much better than the locals (Whites) that if admission was totally based on meritocracy, they might occupy more than a third of the entire university, and hence there is discrimination against them as the admissions group tries to keep the ratios slightly more proportional to race.

It is hence not that Admissions favour minorities (as you said in your comment), but rather that minority races excel much more than local Caucasians in general.

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By: Kris http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-393684 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:09:09 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-393684 To those who defend quotas, it silly, should non-native African immigrants from Africa or the west indies be discriminated against because they happen to be more successful?

Asians are a diverse group, ranging from the folks who are of Cambodian descent in poorer areas, to pacific islanders, folks from Indonesia, the Malays which are often criticized as an example that affirmative action does not work even from Malays themselves.

And yes asians are a minority compared to the whole population but they are not a monolithic group, perhaps the ivy league is trying to stereotype asians with high test scores into one group and then saying oh “the reason we reject them is because they are just like other asians”, so an asian american with a “low test score who parties and is not serious and is gay and happens to have a parent who is non-asian is accepted?”

I don’t see how that can be a more acceptable alternative. In addition it may be a money move, perhaps whites have greater access to money then an asian with a low income family background who has to achieve the high test scores to get scholarships? Even blacks who can get into the ivy league often balk at the cost even though they may qualify for me aid.

It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation, which of course hurts the credibility of the “ivy league”.

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By: Edward http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-266866 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 02:17:34 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-266866 “Why do we all accept that what the Ivies did to limit Jewish enrollment was racist and un-American, while what they’re doing to limit Asian enrollment is not even considered newsworthy?”

Because Asians do not own a large percentage of the American media, as do Jews, which this article strategically fails to mention, control the admissions process at America’s Ivy League Universities.

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By: Al Y http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-258790 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:34:33 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-258790 Wow… and consider how many Jews check “white” on the demographic sheet on any application. Sad. If you guys control the media, which I don’t doubt, then why don’t you try to address this problem in justice & fairness like the Scriptures say ? I’m completely serious.

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By: Al Y http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-258782 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:11:14 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-258782 I think at the time, when the Ivies did limit Jewish enrollment, it was war time & the maneuver was considered non racist & a very American thing to do because they were the majority were non Jewish (thus non racist , atleast to them ) & thus as American as Pilgrim’s Progress by Paul Bunyan. In retrospect, finally, they did see some alleviation after they suffered terribly & it is no exaggeration. I mean, not to re-live the painful past but signs in Baltimore read, no blacks, no Jews. And the handful of other Asians were not considered colored, etc… So, maybe the entrance bar is hidden without blatant signs because, otherwise, it would be newsworthy. As long as the entrance bar is “hidden” there is “no discrimination”. I say sue them or let G*d take vengence. Afterall, they are experiencing the worst snow, hail & hurricaines that end up in fire- scriptural wake up calls. It’s sad but true. We need to wise up, America & be ethical …. I think Henry ’75 Cornell has the right idea.

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By: Al Y http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-2/#comment-258771 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:52:03 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-258771 Though that sounds elitist or maybe just annoyed, I understand your point and it is well taken. Credit really needs to be given where it is due. Matthew Hall should have researched obvious history moreseo for his “historical piece”//

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By: History buff http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-2/#comment-258764 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:28:54 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-258764 Actually, Matthew– Koryo or what we know of Korea distinct life is 4346 yrs- it is now 2013. Approximately the same number of yrs as the Jewish milennia. They have a history 2000 yrs before Christ, as do Koreans. China’s is older than that. As a historical reminder they are the oldest civilization & had moveable print 200 yrs before it was “invented” in Europe. So, their identity is deeply ingrained in history way beyond american context. They (Koreans, Jews, Chinese, etc…) are Eastern and they share an Eastern culture which means they were not illiterate hunters with a false pretense of history.

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By: Matthew Hall's mom http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-2/#comment-258763 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:26:17 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-258763 Actually, Matthew– Koryo or what we know of Korea distinct life is 4346 yrs- it is now 2013. Approximately the same number of yrs as the Jewish milennia. They have a history 2000 yrs before Christ, as do Koreans. China’s is older than that. As a historical reminder they are the oldest civilization & had moveable print 200 yrs before it was “invented” in Europe. So, their identity is deeply ingrained in history way beyond american context. They (Koreans, Jews, Chinese, etc…) are Eastern and they share an Eastern culture which means they were not illiterate hunters with a false pretense of history.

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By: Florida resident http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-251230 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:38:43 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-251230 Dear Gene,
you may want to look at the new article by Unz:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/
as well as to his other recent entries to his web-site:
http://www.ronunz.org/
Your truly, F.r.

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By: Gene http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/comment-page-3/#comment-247841 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:30:58 +0000 http://www.aei-ideas.org/?p=90081#comment-247841 Might some of the underrepresentation of very able non-Jewish whites and Asian-Americans at the Ivies be accounted for by such college students’ strong preference for instead choosing to enroll at one or another of the many faith-based colleges and universities?

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