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The people have spoken … and they must be punished

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After he was defeated for re-election in 1989, New York Mayor Ed Koch was asked if he would ever run for office again.  “No,” Koch replied.  “The people have spoken … and they must be punished.”

Well, it’s November 2012, and the people have spoken.  Here’s how they will be punished.

Exit polls show that by a margin of 52-43, Americans want less government, not more. By a margin of 63-33 they do not want to raise taxes to balance the budget.  And by a margin of 49-45, they want Obamacare either partially or entirely repealed.  None of those wishes will be honored.  Instead:

1.    Obamacare will now become a permanent feature of the American political landscape.  It will never be repealed.

2.    The unprecedented levels of spending in Obama’s first four years will become the new floor, as America sets new records for fiscal profligacy and debt.

3.    Job creators will face massive tax increases, and more Americans will come off the tax rolls—resulting in fewer citizens with a stake in keeping taxes low and more with a stake in protecting benefits.

4.    Government dependency, already at record levels, will continue to grow.

5.    Four lost years in dealing with the entitlement crisis will become eight—digging us into a hole from which we may not be able to emerge.

6.    Obama, unworried about the impact of gas and electricity prices on his reelection, will finally wage the regulatory war on fossil fuels the Left demands.

7.    He will unleash the Environmental Protection Agency to impose crushing new burdens on U.S. business.

8.    His administration’s assault on religious freedom will go on and expand to new areas.

9.    The Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower.

10.    Obama will almost certainly have the opportunity to appoint more liberal Supreme Court justices, possibly replacing conservatives on the high court — ending the Roberts court in all but name for a generation.

And that’s only the beginning. Welcome to Obama’s second term.

109 thoughts on “The people have spoken … and they must be punished

  1. Ahh, the slandermeister is hard at work:

    “Exit polls show that by a margin of 52-43, Americans want less government, not more. By a margin of 63-33 they do not want to raise taxes to balance the budget. And by a margin of 49-45, they want Obamacare either partially or entirely repealed. None those wishes will be honored.”

    Asking someone if they want “less government” is like asking people if they want speed limits enforced- they will enthusiastically agree, even as they break the limit themselves. These questions are loaded and these polls are useless. One poll put up last night showed most Americans overwhelming agreed the rich aren’t taxed enough. So how does that square that they don’t want taxes raised to reduce the deficit when anyone with a shred of sense knows that cuts aren’t going to do the job alone, and the cuts on the wealthy, as the CRS report demonstrated, do NOTHING for economic growth.

    They don’t want Obamacare repealed, but those people getting coverage with existing conditions must have been crapping their pants over this election.

    Again, the site is a joke. It tells implausible stories for willing dupes who readily swallow them.

    • Max Plank, you are one of the dupes who readily swallow Obama’s malarkey. Now, you’ve set the table for all of us–the ones who bother to do our research. You know this site isn’t a joke. If you thought it was a joke, you wouldn’t read the articles. Hey, thanks for contributing to the destruction of my children’s futures with your support of King Obama! Enjoy the chaos to come.

      • Madam, if all you have to say is that I’m a “dupe” after posting responses with enough evidence to satisfy the Nuremberg Tribunal, just get lost.

        This site IS a joke. I don’t think even the people who write this swill believe their own columns, and the stunning lack of empirical evidence, supplanted by a cocooned, tribalistic belief platform, means it is untrustworthy. These “fellows” and “scholars” are utterly incapable of parsing data. They simply comb it to yield the ideological result they want.

    • Max, take a quantum leap to Europe where you belong. You question some of the survey questions but Mark’s analysis of the future is dead on. Go post on the Daily Kos, they’ll love your lies and stupidity.

      • What ABOUT Europe? The joke on the Right is their economies have fallen due to “Socialism.”

        Which is nonsense. They fell victim to the same uber-leveraged financial “innovation” we did, and which we sold to them.

        You better start taking a look at the hard metrics of the quality of life of European countries versus ours. We slip in ratings every year, and this has been going on for quite some time.

    • If I’m not mistaken, your point only is that the people really DO want the opposite of what they say in exit polls. Fair enough. But can’t we agree that what will actually HAPPEN will be quite different from they actually want as well (i.e., unintended and unrecognized consequences)? Mr. Thiessen points out, brutally, to be sure, what is very likely to happen, and suggests that the people responding to the exit polls aren’t going to get what they want. But his point is, I think, that bad things are going to happen. You don’t refute his list of horribles, and I’m left thinking that your point seems to be that what they REALLY want is for those bad things to happen.

      • I’m not saying it’s the opposite of polls, I’m saying the polls themselves ask loaded questions that are quite lame.

        I got a call from Rasmussen some months ago. One question was: “Do you think the President should overide the advice of his military commanders in Afghanistan?”

        This is pure bait.

        One, we DO have civil control over the military in this country, and it’s one of our finer attributes. Two, who said there was “disagreement?” And ON WHAT?

        That’s why these questions are asinine, IMO.

    • “It tells implausible stories for willing dupes who readily swallow them.”

      That is hysterical coming from someone who voted for Obama expecting that to be a good thing. Make any phone calls today, I was just wondering how the Obama Phone was…….I thought about getting one but sanity and pride got in my way.

      Personally I am suprised you even had time to write this, shouldn’t you be standing in line waiting to get your free shit.

  2. So, all in all, barry will SINK the country so low that when (not “if”) the UN volunteers to “save” them with a New World (fascist) Order, they’ll get down on their hands and knees and BEG to be “saved”!

  3. Exit polls show that by a margin of 52-43, Americans want less government, not more. By a margin of 63-33 they do not want to raise taxes to balance the budget. And by a margin of 49-45, they want Obamacare either partially or entirely repealed. None those wishes will be honored.

    The voters chose the man who was closest to being a peace candidate. The GOP blew its opportunity by all of the chest thumping and the suppression of debate in its ranks about the folly of all those foreign interventions.

      • Sadly an evil warmonger like Obama could be the ‘peace candidate’ because he was much better on that front than Romney. The GOP blew it big time when it allowed the right wing idiots to push for massive intervention and bigger and bigger military spending. Voters figured out that given the financial situation they would rather have a few more welfare handouts than prop up the warfare crowd.

      • Correct. As I wrote above, Romney made Obama look like the peace candidate even though Obama had hit lists, used drones indiscriminately and funded terrorists in North Africa. That fact spoke about the moral bankruptcy and the lack of judgment of the GOP leadership and GOP primary voters. I loved the Ron Paul signs when Romney went to visit Poland. Unlike GOP voters the Poles could actually figure out which of your politicians actually stood for personal liberty.

  4. Seriously, dude… it’s not the end of the world. Relax, and take some solace in the realization that your predictions are about as likely to come true as every other Republican pundits’ predictions that Romney was “sure to win”.

    Instead of grousing, it may be time for conservatives to consider what can be done to reach out to someone other than and 30+ year old successful male WASPs, because this breed is dying.

    • I don’t disagree that the right needs to start a conversation with all walks of life regarding the promise and opportunity of freedom versus the stifling “equality” of state supplied security. Where I really agree with you is your comment regarding 30+ year old SUCCESSFUL male WASPs — under the Obama administration that demographic is sure to die since success will be measured by how much those individuals can contribute to national revenue versus how many jobs they can create. We’ll see how long a government that produces nothing can squeeze those who do.

  5. FoxNews. Rumsfeld. George W. If you asked a high school newspaper writer to put together a fantasy column prognosticating the next four years based on the combined assumptions of those three, you would come up with this column. There’s too much here to even comment on. I you sure you didn’t leave anything out? Nutty. BTW…if you quote a poll, you should include a link to it.

  6. What all the things on your list serve to do is create dependency that cements power. It is the Chicago Way of combining welfare, patronage and cronyism to make it impossible not to vote for Democrats. They’re still running (and ruining) the city and the state of Illinois that same way…will our country do the same? I don’t see how it doesn’t.

  7. What Americans who voted for Presidendt Obama fail to realize fully is that this election was more about freedom than ANYTHING else. Americans chose to surrender yet more of their freedom to their government…a government that with every passing year is becoming more and more like the overbearing Crown of England that spurred the birth of our nation. Freedom isn’t free…the more handouts we require the more freedom it will cost us. Romney was the right choice for this time regardless of your politics. We need to drop the whole religion and politics “off limits” crap and start having real discourse again amongst ourselves….”you have a Republic if you can keep it.” Benjamin Franklin

    • What Americans who voted for Presidendt Obama fail to realize fully is that this election was more about freedom than ANYTHING else….

      Did they? The way I saw it from outside of your country there was very little difference between Obama and Romney on that issue. Both favoured a bigger police state and less liberty across the board. While the GOP could say things about economic freedom the budget that Romney put forward would keep spending at near the same level as Obama for decades. Neither of the two had the guts to call for actual cuts but Obama did not really have to because he was not selling himself as the fiscal conservative. While Obama may be a bad president the voters did not see Romney as a better choice and voted accordingly.

  8. For the first time in the history of America, the people have knowingly raised up as their leader a person who is for abortion on demand, pushing homosexuality and gay marriage rights, is hostile to Israel, and pro Islam. Never before has a President turned from Judeo Christian principles in such an open unhidden way. (He hid who he really was in the first election). If you’re a believer, you know what this may mean. God will not be mocked. I can’t quit crying and believing that America just committed suicide.
    And then there’s all the financial repercussions that comes with Obama….

  9. Maybe the electorate isn’t the group that needs to be punished, here. Maybe they were just more afraid of Republican social policy than Democratic economic policy, and chose the lesser of two evils.

    Maybe the GOP needs to get its priorities straight and stop insulting gays, women, Hispanics, and secular-minded people who otherwise might find its economic program appealing.

    Maybe the way forward for the conservative movement is to amputate the nativist, anti-choice, anti-gay, militarily adventurist, hard-core religious wing of the party and move forward with a center-right economic agenda that doesn’t scare people.

    Maybe, then the GOP can win and implement its economic program in 2016.

    GOP? Change or become irrelevant.

    • “[T]he GOP … insult[s] gays, women, Hispanics, and secular-minded people…”

      Evidence? Quoting the NYT or Chris Matthews doesn’t count.

      • Examples of GOP insults? We don’t need quotes from Matthews or any other medial person. We have the GOP politicians themselves – Akin and Mourdock insulting rape victims specifically and women generally through their rape comments, West calling dozens of House Democrats communists, Romney insulting women in his concession speech about how his men do the work and their women pick up the slack, Romney insulting Hispanics by suggesting they self-deport, Romney declaring that 47% of the electorate see themselves as victims. The examples are legion.

        But we can refer to the media for insults if you wish. Check out this headline by a conservative website, comparing the electorate of adult voters to children needing to be disciplined – “The people have spoken … and they must be punished.”

        • You are correct to criticize Romney for declaring that 47% of the electorate see themselves as victims. It seems he was three percent low in his estimation. God help us

    • Drones fired into populated areas does constitute torture (or terrorism) in many peoples’ eyes. And the Pakistanis do count as ‘brown people’ in your racist eyes, don’t they?

  10. Thiessen’s remarks seem to me dead on. Americans want a “peace candidate?” Iran has been at war with us since 1979, and militant Islam more generally since shortly thereafter (if not before; Sayed Qutb, al Qaeda’s founder, visited and condemned America in the late 1940′s.) We can’t escape history, but ignorance of history will doom us. Wait and see; Thiessen will be proved correct on these predictions.

  11. wow, you guys on the right really don’t have a clue, do you? that list is as far from factually based as the predictions about this election were from the right’s media moguls. a little advice – start basing your opinions on real evidence, and you’ll be a much more successful party. but that’s all the advice i’ll give… now i’ll go back to just enjoying the moment.

    • Enjoy it while you can, slow child. The evidence is already there…if you care to look.

      But that would require thought and effort, would it not? Much easier to just go with your feelings, like a typical “liberal”.

  12. Except for the part about what the American people want, Marc pretty much nails it. I’m going to get what the Obama voters deserve.

    • We all get what we deserve because we are responsible for our own actions. The fact that in the latest election we saw Stalin beat Hitler does not mean that a mindful individual cannot prepare and take personal advantage of the outcome going forward.

  13. Silver lining…..those who voted for Obama will reap what they sow. The crumbling economy and the subsequent taxmagedon will impact them harder that those of us in flyover states. A tax on a 250,000 salary might be taxing the rich in Alabama, but it is run of the mill middle class in any blue state. According to Obama voting is an act of revenge, my revenge is to encourage anyone in flyover America to take the redistribution in chief on. Quit your measly paying jobs and get in on any governments assistance. Retired, file for disability, get food stamps, welfare etc…knowing that the tax burden will most likely fall on the idiots that voted for socialism. Clowen and Piven them out of existence.

    • My sentiments exactly. I’ve also been performing a thought experiment based on the notions that Congressional Republicans should either sit on their hands for the next four years, or resign en masse, just to get it over with. Let ‘em have it.

    • The only problem with this argument is that Louisiana, and the rest of the Southern Scum States are nothing more than giant welfare states themselves. Fat Hayley Barbour and Bobby Jindal boast of their fiscal conservativism. But they have been living off the higher taxed Blue states for decades. These governors are little more than slumlords living of a giant Section 8 program.

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

  14. Are you joking? $250K is a “run of the mill middle class” salary in any blue state? Not even in Northern Virginia, where the median income is in the 70s is that true. I don’t think there is ANYwhere in this country where that is a “run of the mill” salary.

    • 1. Obamacare will now become a permanent feature of the American political landscape. It will never be repealed.

      No doubt you see this as a feature – “Free” health care! TANSTAAFL. Learn what it means, and figure out what it’ll cost you.

      2. The unprecedented levels of spending in Obama’s first four years will become the new floor, as America sets new records for fiscal profligacy and debt.

      This is progress…how, exactly?

      3. Job creators will face massive tax increases, and more Americans will come off the tax rolls—resulting in fewer citizens with a stake in keeping taxes low and more with a stake in protecting benefits.

      This is progress…how, exactly?

      4. Government dependency, already at record levels, will continue to grow.

      This is progress…how, exactly?

      5. Four lost years in dealing with the entitlement crisis will become eight—digging us into a hole from which we may not be able to emerge.

      This is progress…how, exactly?

      6. Obama, unworried about the impact of gas and electricity prices on his reelection, will finally wage the regulatory war on fossil fuels the Left demands.

      See comment on #1, dimbulb. you have no conception on how products get to market or where electricity comes from, do you?

      7. He will unleash the Environmental Protection Agency to impose crushing new burdens on U.S. business.

      No doubt you see this as progress as well, being economically illiterate.

      8. His administration’s assault on religious freedom will go on and expand to new areas.

      I’m sure you see this as progress. Why should another religion compete with “liberalism”?

      9. The Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower.

      A vacuum will be filled. count on it.

      10. Obama will almost certainly have the opportunity to appoint more liberal Supreme Court justices, possibly replacing conservatives on the high court — ending the Roberts court in all but name for a generation.

      More government by edict. Wonderful.

      Thank you for confirming that you’re an idiot.

  15. Jefferson said: “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever . . . .” – Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII

    America has become utterly depraved & so it just doesn’t deserve to live Happily Ever After, not now anyway. You can’t count high enough its terrible moral failings. So God has unleashed the philosophy of failure on society as a whole. The good deserve it, to wake them out of their slumber; the bad deserve that their terrible philosophy spread, to further enhance their misery & squalor. The people of the late 1800s had the moral fortitude to get rid of slavery; it’s highly unlikely our current lot of citizens would do the same, were it still part of everyday life. The evangelicals would quote the Bible saying “Love Thy Neighbor”, “Love Thy Enemy.” The slackers would say, “Huh? Is that an app for my I-pad?” And go on texting their virtual friends.

  16. Your checklist is accurate, but why do you hold onto the proven false idea that most Americans are conservative? After Obama’s re-election, clearly this nation is more liberal than conservative. It is time we conservatives work from the perspective of being cultural minorities, NOT the majority viewpoint.

    • What exactly was ‘conservative’ about Romney or the GOP? They are about as far from the Old Right as they could go without being Socialists or National Socialists. (And yes Ron, I know that a case can be made that they have adopted the characteristics of both.)

  17. If you step back and look at the big picture, the future in the US is not bright. A majority of our citizens will be born to single mothers, expecting the government to pay for their wants, and completely devoid of any appreciation for the basic principles on which our country was founded.

    What can we do? We can hope they change. Likelihood of that happening is slim. Perhaps some asians will start to realize that their racist dislike of the Republican party is self defeating and that they are as much at odds with the new majority as are Republicans.

    There really is only one alternative: Secession. A peaceful and lawful process by which the majority of the citizens in each state vote for join a new union.

    The United Nation’s charter recognizes the right of self determination of peoples. The USSR disbanded into states where people who shared a common ideology could escape the central government’s control. The separatist party in Quebec has been toying with this issue for years, even running the province. The Kosavars were able to establish a separate country. So should we.

    At some point this must become an issue for serious discussion.

    • Secession would save money for blue voting states since, in the main, red states receive more than $1.00 from the federal government for every dollar they contribute in taxes. Secede away boyos.

    • Partition is not a trifling matter. Remember India/Pakistan. Remember the Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland. Remember East/West Germany.

      Families torn apart, friendships lost, having to abandon one’s home and move a thousand miles away in order to live under the system you prefer.

      The Red/Blue divide isn’t neat and clean. There are a lot of patches, islands, and enclaves. What happens to the people who don’t want to move? Do they get loaded onto trucks and dumped hundreds of miles from their former homes in the middle of winter?

      This is Trail of Tears stuff. Conservatives and Liberals are not two different peoples. Even within families, there are both viewpoints. Give your head a shake.

  18. The nitwit moron majority (i.e. minorities, women, unions and college students) re-elected the worst performing president in 50 years and now will reap the benefits. Employers will convert to part-time employees if not outright fire them. College grads will have no jobs (other than part time waiter/waitress/cashier). Private unions will be decimated as Obama attacks the coal, oil, and gas industries. States and municipalities will not be able to fund their governement pension plans. Screw ‘em! They voted for it. They deserve it. Go on welfare for life you idiots. I don’t and will never have any sympathy for those out of work, destitute, or impoverished because of Obama. I will no longer fund any private charities. Go to the government you fools. That’s my charity.

  19. If you step back and look at the big picture, the future in the US is not bright. A majority of our citizens will be born to single mothers, expecting the government to pay for their wants, and completely devoid of any appreciation for the basic principles on which our country was founded.

    What can we do? We can hope they change. Likelihood of that happening is slim. Perhaps some Asians will start to realize that their dislike of the Republican party is self defeating and that they are as much at odds with the new majority as are Republicans.

    There really is only one alternative: Secession. A peaceful and lawful process by which the majority of the citizens in each state vote for join a new union.

    The United Nation’s charter recognizes the right of self determination of peoples. The USSR disbanded into states where people who shared a common ideology could escape the central government’s control. The separatist party in Quebec has been toying with this issue for years, even running the province. The Kosavars were able to establish a separate country. So should we.

    At some point this must become an issue for serious discussion.

  20. While I agree that many people will suffer due to Obama’s presidency. I do have a more optimistic outlook. While Obamacare may not be outright repealed, it will eventually be repealed piece by piece, or written. I’m confident of this just because the law is disfunctional. I’m also Optimistic that we are approaching the end of the welfare state. The bills are coming due. I think we are near to the point where the economy will not support the debt and borrowing. When that bubble bursts, it will take the welfare system with it. Just because we will not be able to borrow enough to keep it running.

    • I think that demographics will define the future and the population growth is coming from those sectors of our society who have no respect for concepts of individual responsibility or private property rights. I was hopeful until November 6. Now I am not. Our future is a state like Argentina. I’m calling it now.

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