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The people have spoken … and they must be punished

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After he was defeated for re-election in 1989, New York Mayor Ed Koch was asked if he would ever run for office again.  “No,” Koch replied.  “The people have spoken … and they must be punished.”

Well, it’s November 2012, and the people have spoken.  Here’s how they will be punished.

Exit polls show that by a margin of 52-43, Americans want less government, not more. By a margin of 63-33 they do not want to raise taxes to balance the budget.  And by a margin of 49-45, they want Obamacare either partially or entirely repealed.  None of those wishes will be honored.  Instead:

1.    Obamacare will now become a permanent feature of the American political landscape.  It will never be repealed.

2.    The unprecedented levels of spending in Obama’s first four years will become the new floor, as America sets new records for fiscal profligacy and debt.

3.    Job creators will face massive tax increases, and more Americans will come off the tax rolls—resulting in fewer citizens with a stake in keeping taxes low and more with a stake in protecting benefits.

4.    Government dependency, already at record levels, will continue to grow.

5.    Four lost years in dealing with the entitlement crisis will become eight—digging us into a hole from which we may not be able to emerge.

6.    Obama, unworried about the impact of gas and electricity prices on his reelection, will finally wage the regulatory war on fossil fuels the Left demands.

7.    He will unleash the Environmental Protection Agency to impose crushing new burdens on U.S. business.

8.    His administration’s assault on religious freedom will go on and expand to new areas.

9.    The Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower.

10.    Obama will almost certainly have the opportunity to appoint more liberal Supreme Court justices, possibly replacing conservatives on the high court — ending the Roberts court in all but name for a generation.

And that’s only the beginning. Welcome to Obama’s second term.

109 thoughts on “The people have spoken … and they must be punished

  1. Really? Obamacare is now a permanent fixture of the political landscape?? Get a backbone and stop your surrender monkey garbage! We are where we are because so called conservatives like you capitulate so easily.

    Bottom line, the Republican House needs to stand up and use EVERY tactic at it’s disposal to ring concessions out of Obama over the next two years (until the next mid-term election at which point he’s really a lame duck president). If the shoe were on the other foot, the Democrats would not hesitate to bring the whole ship down (figuratively of course) if it meant they would achieve their goals or get them closer to their planned endgame.

    Wake up Conservatives, the future of our Republic is at stake. This is no time to be weak kneed. Stand up and fight for once!!

    • My hope is that we are looking at 4 years of guerilla warfare. The House needs to pass one bill after another on tax reform, imigration, Obama Care repeal, Dod-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley repeal, etc.

      Governors need to bring one suit after another attacking Obama Care, the EPA, Dodd-Frank, etc.

      The last thing they need to do is compromise or be idle. They need to move every conservative action they can imagine and dare the Senate and the president to reject them.

      The same goes for state legislatures. Now that many key state houses and governors mansions are Republican controlled, they need to take action on big issues.

      • This is a democracy, dude. Major actions need to be taken to address challenges facing our country and YOU don’t get to have it YOUR way. Fair is fair. Let me review and I’ll try to make it simple, knowing your people’s difficulty with math. A HUGE election just occurred. Democrats just reelected their President with a large electoral vote victory and a majority of the popular vote. If NY & NJ hadn’t been severely impacted by Superstorm Sandy, at least a couple more million Americans would have voted. While not changing the electoral vote, a significant number of those votes would have been cast for Obama/Biden ticket, further increasing his popular vote margin of victory. Democrats increased their marjority in the Senate to 55; and while the House stayed in Republican control, Democrats cut the number of seats needed to retake the House in 2014 to just 17. In a horrifying demonstration of the fraud perpetuated by Republican’s gerrymandering of House districts, there were actually 500,000 more votes cast for Democratic House candidates than Republican candidates, thereby lowering the credibility of any Republican attempt to control the negotiations. Also, only 35% to 40% of the country self-identifies as Conservative. THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT FULLY SUPPORT A CONSERVATIVE AGENDA. What am I getting at? Well, if Conservatives had the numbers I’ve just provided, you would no doubt demand the line in the Constitution stating “provide for the general welfare” be declared null and void. However, Democrats, Moderates and Independents (as I am) will not be as radically idealogical. What we we will demand will be about a 2/3rd favorability in any “deal”. FAIR IS FAIR and the majority have spoken and last time I checked the dictionary, democracy provides for a majority rule.

        • Uh, dude,

          We are not a democracy. By definition and design of Founders. We did not just have a plebescite. We are federal republic with democratic institutions.

          Just sayin’…

        • This is a democracy, dude.

          Agreed.

          Major actions need to be taken to address challenges facing our country and YOU don’t get to have it YOUR way. Fair is fair.

          If two wolves and a sheep get to vote on what is for lunch is the outcome fair? What gives the majority the right to violate the right of a minority? What gives Congress or the President the authority to engage in activities that are not permitted by the Constitution?

          Let me review and I’ll try to make it simple, knowing your people’s difficulty with math.

          “Your people’s?” I guess that tells us a lot about your elevated sense of self importance. Just make your point without the hand waving.

          A HUGE election just occurred.

          Huge? Didn’t you have around ten million fewer voters than last time? That seems to show that voters believed that no matter what they did the status quo would win.

          Democrats just reelected their President with a large electoral vote victory and a majority of the popular vote.

          Actually, more people chose to stay away than voted for either candidate.

          If NY & NJ hadn’t been severely impacted by Superstorm Sandy, at least a couple more million Americans would have voted.

          Perhaps, but the storm gave Obama a chance to look presidential and was good for his campaign. Without it the election may have swung the other way. This is why we don’t really rely on hypotheticals.

          While not changing the electoral vote, a significant number of those votes would have been cast for Obama/Biden ticket, further increasing his popular vote margin of victory. Democrats increased their marjority in the Senate to 55; and while the House stayed in Republican control, Democrats cut the number of seats needed to retake the House in 2014 to just 17. In a horrifying demonstration of the fraud perpetuated by Republican’s gerrymandering of House districts, there were actually 500,000 more votes cast for Democratic House candidates than Republican candidates, thereby lowering the credibility of any Republican attempt to control the negotiations. Also, only 35% to 40% of the country self-identifies as Conservative. THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT FULLY SUPPORT A CONSERVATIVE AGENDA.

          If you are trying to say that the majority does not support the GOP I could not agree more. Like the Democrats the GOP has very low support among the American voter. Romney lost because he made Obama look like the peace candidate at a time when Americans were sick and tired of war. But on the corruption side let us make it clear that both parties control the electoral process and have made it difficult for third party challengers. The racket is too profitable to permit new entrants.

          What am I getting at? Well, if Conservatives had the numbers I’ve just provided, you would no doubt demand the line in the Constitution stating “provide for the general welfare” be declared null and void. However, Democrats, Moderates and Independents (as I am) will not be as radically idealogical. What we we will demand will be about a 2/3rd favorability in any “deal”. FAIR IS FAIR and the majority have spoken and last time I checked the dictionary, democracy provides for a majority rule.

          How ironic. The Founding Fathers rejected democracy because it would lead to the very situation that we have now; a parasite class trying to live off the rest for as long as possible until the country went bankrupt and failed. They chose a limited republic instead but that did not last very long as men fought to gain access to the ring of power and were corrupted by that power no matter how well intentioned they may have been at the beginning.

          I think that it is time that both the left and the right figured out that their ideology is intellectually and morally bankrupt and that young voters are finally figuring out that they have been dealt a bad hand by the political establishment. Eventually, that will matter.

    • When I read Thiessen’s whine. I thought it was the dumbest thing I had read in a week. Then I read D’Esposito.Obama was and is a weak candidate but a Party that nominates numbskulls for the Senate, runs a 12 month + primary season tha should Have played on Comedy Central, and apparently doesn’t know that the job of Government is to govern shouldn’t be surprised if a majority of the population thinks it is a joke, People enjoy watching clowns but they don’t vote for clowns.

      • Obama has governed like a clown for the past four years and his VP plagiarized his way through clown college. The notion that any serious person takes the Democrats seriously is seriously flawed.

        • Well how about a HUGE win in electoral college driven by a popular vote majority. While President Obama received less votes than the historic number he garnered in 2008, he is the President RECEIVING THE MOST VOTES IN ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY! Y’all have just got to get better at math! And before ya start going all . . . black people, Latinos . . . Guess what – African Americans only make up 13% of the population and Latinos only 16%. While those demographics do vote overwhelmingly Democratic, as you can see, a significant portion of the Democratic vote totals were from whites. Just do your math – MOST Americans voted for the Democratic Presidential ticket, MOST Americans voted for Democratic Senate candidates AND over 500,000 more Americans voted for Democratic House candidates than GOP candidates; but due to gerrymandered districts, more districts are “safe” Republican. Based on your level of understanding, you probably aren’t knowledgable about the topic of gerrymandering, but I don’t feel like taking the time and space to elaborate; should you be interested, it’s fairly easy to look up. But when you say “the notion that any serious person takes the Democrats seriously is seriously flawed”, you just make yourself look foolish. This fundamental denial of actual facts by Republicans (usually the conservative or tea-type) completely undermines the credibility of the Republican Party and is beginning to cause more and more Americans to not take y’all seriously. Unless something changes, we may not see a Republican president again for 16 to 20 more years. Now, I predict there is gonna be a bloodbath within the Republican Party and it is possible the intelligent, reasonable Republicans can again bring some intelligence-based discourse based on facts to their supporters; if so, Republican Party may not completely implode and become irrelevant; and I actually hope that happens. I am an Independent from Alabama and used to vote for many Republicans. I believe it’s good for the country to have two strong parties that can engage in vigorous debate and keep each other in check. But when members of your party make statements like “no serious person takes Democrats seriously” when faced with a reelection of a Democratic president who HAS RECEIVED MORE VOTES than any President in history – well I just can’t relate to those kinds of delusional and ignorant ravings. Sorry!

      • And the job of an undertaker is to undertake. That doesn’t mean generating more dead bodies to process.

        A productive Congress is not one that passes the greatest possible number of laws.

        No compromise. The 50% of America that didn’t vote for bigears shall be heard.

      • sg…… what is so dumb about demanding that Republican leaders hold the line against Obama’s statist plans?? Feel free to join Marc and throw your arms up in surrender as the Libs march our country to history’s dustbin! I for one plan on continuing to do my part, however small, whenever and wherever I can.

        Do us all a favor and join the other side…… there’s no room in the ranks for naysayers or armchair quarterbacks – not now, not ever.

      • “Obama was and is a weak candidate.” Uh, no, that’s not true. He had one thing that most of us forgot. He is beloved by most Americans. His rise from an Illinois senator to POTUS in 2008 was not earned by mutliple and grand achievements – up till then he’s done absolutely nothing. His election in 2008 was based solely on his popularity, his cult of personality and the mainstream media. And these two ‘resources’ is what carried him in Ohio and Colorado. They guy is considered cool and he doesn’t even play a saxophone. Unfortunately, it’s America’s lack of respect towards leaders that get the job done which has unraveled Romney’s campaign. Romney could never be cool, he is a brilliant businessman but America wants and demands a celebrity.

      • Amendment! The nation is evenly split, Zero barely made it back in with a majority. BOEHNER AND CANTOR WILL AND MUST STICK TO THEIR GUNS AND WE CONSERVATIVES MUST FIGHT EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVELY. No tears, no recriminations, and no let up in our fight.

      • LOL…As the Founders pointed out, the government that governs best governs least. The GOP forgot that point a long time ago and expand government as quickly as the Democrats. If that is the case why should anyone who cares about small government vote for them?

    • Agreed! We must fight like the Dems fight us. I’m tired of Republicans being wimps on these issues. This is NOT a time to surrender.

    • The administrations “class warfare” rhetoric and antagonism toward business was viewed by the populace as theoretical. “Just another campaign strategy”. Now it becomes reality. What will be the reaction when Obamacare
      fully kicks in? How long will the administration allow business to sit on the sidelines before forcing investment by using populist, class warfare rhetoric to get them in line? When will the Democrats declare all “energy” a matter of national security? Realistic questions all. Unfortunately, the Republican controlled House may not have the stomach for the type of confrontation you suggest.

    • Yes, Aaron Everything that happens God can turn for good and ultimately all things,people, wiil recogize him
      to their grateful joy or their deep shame, but I think yor dancing on the grave of a once great nation is petty and low.

  2. I just love the counter argument “no, no, no, it aint’ gonna happen”. Really? why? What’s so implausible in the listed items? Obama and Dems will suddenly become fiscal conservatives?
    Read what other Obama supporters are saying: people want Big Government, people want to be on the Gov dole. People are useless lazy scum who need Government to feed them and wipe their behinds. And we will take away from those greedy productive people and give it to the nice non-productive ones.
    That’s what they want, and they believe it will make US better. And the World.
    The only hope is that things will become so bad so no amount of hope and change will replace lack of the food for those mooches. Just look how things are going in NJ and NYC after Obama finished his photo-op. Big Government at work

    • After the Labour Party took power in Britain in 1945, the economy remained in the doldrums until the 1980s.when Thatcher was able to change course. New Labour more or less followed her economic policy, but then turned back more to the post-war heading, and invited millions of foreigners to come in and do the kind of jobs that Britons would not do. The native English are so used to their cans. They don’t want to work, but what their things. They have become pretty close to the kind of Romans who followed Caesar before he went to Gaul, learned how to use an army, and seized control of Rome as dictator. Bread and circuses. So far we have not seen anyone die in a reality show, but don’t rule it out if it will raise ratings. Maybe the Right to Die folks will sign up the willing volunteers. Or maybe the cage fighters will decide to start young knives and swords. Who knows what will come in future days.

  3. Some other people are speaking as well. This morning I had the ocassion to speak with 4 pals, all attorneys living in Virginia. Three are with what is considered by many to be the states most prestigious firm and the other is with a big DC firm. Here is what they told me:

    1) The grandson of the founder of the VA firm gave his housekeeper 2 weeks severance pay and told her that after 13 years, he can no longer afford the luxury. The pending increase in his Fereral taxes are greater than her pay.

    2) The second VA lawyer cancelled his planned February vacation to the Caymans. He takes his wife, four kids and his in-laws. The deadline to get his deposit back is November 15.

    3) The third VA lawyer has cancelled an addition to his house which was scheduled to begin in January.

    4) My DC pal cancelled his order for a new German car. The dealer returned his deposit becuase he has been buying a new car from this dealer for about 10 years. (He and the wife alternate new cars every other year.) The dealer feels confident that he can sell the car to someone else.

    I know this is not a scientific survey and that the data will not fit into some econometric model, but the knock on impact of such actions will. We are all going to pay for Tuesdays blunder.

    Obama may think that voting is the best revenge, but’ when unleashed, revenge knows no boundaries or favorites.

      • Hey Bonehead. Yeah, you. Forget the attorneys. The people you really need to worry about are all those Mr. & Mrs. Joe Six-Packs working 6 days a week who won’t be taking their vacations in the Poconos when their health care costs skyrocket after ObamaCare really kicks in.

        But, hey, in the march to socialism, you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs, eh?

      • You missed the point. Each and every one of these folks now have to refocus their own earnings to send off to the govt – which will promptly misallocate them.

        Instead of those funds going to create good paying American jobs (even the vacation supports the airlines) it will be wasted. And the Joe Sixpacks who would have had a little more, now will have a little less. This is what happens when the govt shuts the trickle down from the tap. The economy shrinks.

        • I am a lawyer, and I believe I know the industry quite well, perhaps even better than you. In all areas of practice, regulation is the attorney’s bread and butter. It is government which you will turn to to enforce the terms of the contract your lawyers are negotiating should those terms be violated. It is because of the body of contract law, which manages the execution and enforcement of all contracts’ both simple and complex, that your lawyers are so expensive. The UCC is a difficult body of law, for which your lawyers earn their keep by guiding you through so expertly. Their service is valuable, but it is a service nonetheless that depends on government to sustain itself.

    • Attorneys belong to the producing class? I’m quite certain there are conservative opinions to the contrary expressed on this site.

      Here’s what attorneys do – they provide a service. And, the service they provide depends on government action, both substantive (producing law) and practical (funding the courts). It seems a bit short-sighted for those who make their living on one aspect of the government remaining large and active to criticize other elements of government staying large and active.

      Are they tax lawyers? Then a simplified tax code and a smaller tax base will send them to the poorhouse – their living depends on a complicated code with lots of arcane language and obscure loopholes.

      Are they criminal defense lawyers? Then they need a robust criminal law and vigilant enforcement. If they are part of big firms, then they needs these things in the area of white collar crime. The creation and enforcement of the criminal law is a government function, and all the financial reform should keep these firms raking in profits from white collar defendants.

      These are examples in support of a point – rich lawyers complaining about big government are advocating the shrinking of their own market.

      • Every purchae these rich lawyers don’t make is income that a company won’t earn, and sooner or later an employee that the company won’t need. This is the problem in the thinking of the Left, too. They demonize and ridicule the succesful and the wealthy, acting as if they don’t matter. They matter a grewat deal, and we’re about to find out just how much. And when it comes to lawyers, don’t think their services are not valuable. Most law practiced is not tax or criminal or even civil litigation. It is contract law — the deals that make big stuff happen in the economy and create jobs. I spend hundereds of thousand on lawyers every year at my company, and I couldn’t get by without their services.

        • I am a lawyer, and I believe I know the industry quite well, perhaps even better than you. In all areas of practice, regulation is the attorney’s bread and butter. It is government which you will turn to to enforce the terms of the contract your lawyers are negotiating should those terms be violated. It is because of the body of contract law, which manages the execution and enforcement of all contracts’ both simple and complex, that your lawyers are so expensive. The UCC is a difficult body of law, for which your lawyers earn their keep by guiding you through so expertly. Their service is valuable, but it is a service nonetheless that depends on government to sustain itself.

          I posted this earlier as a reply to the wrong comment.

      • You should read a book by Judge Posner on Law and Economics to understand how the laws are needed in a capitalist system, why they are necessary, and which laws and regulations allow a capitalist system to work more efficiently and which hinder it.

        Contract lawyers ensure that all aspects of a transaction are considered and that the documents accurately reflect the client’s understanding. As such they are promoting the efficiency of the system. However, trial lawyers like Edwards, who take a feature that is necessary to our society (responsibility for actions caused by one’s negligence) and are allowed to extend it to become counterproductive (if a problem is encountered with a child’s birth, that is proof enough of the doctor’s and the hospital’s negligence, so sue them for millions of dollars and if you can’t prove your case, and the doctors and hospitals spend a million dollars or more defending it, well that is too bad for them). The issue is one of degrees and distinctions. All laws and regulations arent bad and are not contrary to a capitalist system. Some are. Read Posner to understand this issue.

    • The poor babies. The first story is the one that really touched my heart. The housekeeper will do OK. In Obama’s socialist paradise she will have unemployment compensation to fall back on and then welfare and food stamps. But her employer will have to do all the work she did by themselves.

  4. Guy, you speak as though we have leaders we respect. There are no respectful republican or conservative leaders. They are all clueless and couldn’t figure out how to get themselves out of a wet paper bag.

    • I disagree. There are great Republican leaders. Paul Ryan is a great leader. It’s just that America DOES NOT CARE. America sees the economy as a bump on the road. America figures the economy will turn around regardless of whoever is in office. And America loves Obama. Get with it, this guy is popular than….well actually he is the most popular guy in the world. He is as beloved as John Paul II was…it has reached this stratosphere. When voters choose between the awful economy versus Obama and pick Obama, you know this guy is popular. An awful POTUS, yes. But do Americans care? No. He looks just too darn cool schmoozing with Jay Z, Whoopi, David Letterman and Chris Christie.

      • Paul Ryan is a great leader.

        Is that the Paul Ryan who voted for every big government program that Bush advanced? Or the Paul Ryan who could not figure out how to make any real cut in the budget but only played around with ‘cutting’ by expanding spending at less the projected baseline increase?

        Republican voters need to look very closely at their party. It is not substantially different than the Democrats and, as Butler Shaffer keeps reminding us, is just the right wing of the same bird of prey that lives off the taxpayers.

  5. This would all be a little more understandable, from a policy standpoint, if there were such a thing as a massive Obama surge in spending & the welfare state. But there isn’t. The increase in spending in the past five years is due almost entirely to the weak economy– decreasing revenues, increasing expenditures for unemployment & Medicaid.

    In fact, this sort of wailing and gnashing of teeth comes from pure tribalism.

    “Deficits don’t matter”, the 2004 GOP proclaimed; today, being a Republican means talking a lot about the deficit, and doubling down on the early 2000s policies that created the deficit. No one exemplifies this more than Paul Ryan. He supported Medicare Part D, the occupation of Iraq, the surplus-destroying 2000s fiscal policies, the USA PATRIOT Act, and No Child Left Behind. Today he’s marketed, incongruously, as a deficit hawk and a small-government conservative.

    Pres. Bush left office with around a 30 percent approval from independents, around 60 percent from Republicans, and around 80 percent from self-professed “conservative Republicans”– despite all the above-mentioned non-conservative actions.

    All this hysteria about spending and America deserving the coming “real rain” that “will come and wash all this scum off the streets” has exactly the same policy and ideological content as an Eagles fan pouting the day after a loss that the refs were biased, Andy Reid is a bad coach, and Mike Vick isn’t any good. If they win the next few weeks, they’ll say that Vick and Reid are the best QB-head coach combo in the league.

    Identifying as a Republican is a matter of pure tribalism, pure sociology, shorn of any pretense of rational policy preferences.

    • ….Identifying as a Republican is a matter of pure tribalism, pure sociology, shorn of any pretense of rational policy preferences….

      That should say Republican and/or Democrat

  6. Let me take these points one at a time:

    1. ObamaCare was not going to be repealed even if Romney had won. During his interview with David Gregory of NBC Mittens has expressed a definite mend-it-don’t-end-it preference.

    2. Yes, but as along as the consequence are not instantaneous it will not affect Obama.

    3. Millions of Americans who voted for Obama this week fully agree. They just don’t give a damn, so long as they get their government freebies. And no – they don’t make the connection between the economy and government spending. To them it’s all money that really belongs to them.

    4. Slavery is the new freedom. Haven’t you heard?

    5. The only time the serfs will even think about rising up is if their government checks start bouncing. But so what? The vast majority are too lazy to organize, and if a few did the government will label them as terrorists and dispose of them.

    6. If you are dying of starvation and icy weather, at least you represent no threat to our just-elected moral betters. Millions of people hit by Hurricane Sandy are finding that out right now. In a decade all of America will look likt it was hit by a major storm.

    7. The USSR had the KGB; we have the EPA.

    8. Government is god – ye shall have no other gods before It.

    9. Even if that didn’t happen, it does not matter. And frankly, the fewer guns the Obama administration has the safer I feel.

    10. More liberal – compared to what? The present court already rivals the Soviet Politburo. Two or three more liberals on the court – heck, make it a cool million – won’t make any real difference.

    The good news (for those like me who are mean of spirit) is that societal collapse is an equal opportunity downer. It is in fact the ultimate in fairness, which is a virtue Democrats really hate. Shrieking, “I’m a Democrat and I’m entitled to it!!” won’t make electricity come back, grow food, or heal children dying of diseases that used to be found only in Third World hellholes. As Mark Steyn once said: sometimes societies become too stupid to survive.

  7. 1.) Obama is a cult figure, a living JFK. Seriously, Spielfreak will probably direct his movie The Life of Obama from being born in Kenya to the POTUS. How else can voters reject our economy and elect a man whose passion is playing golf and appearing on The View. 2.) For those who think Congress can do something about Obamacare, you’re dead wrong. Congress won’t be able to defund it. Unless another suit brings Obamacare to the Supreme Court, Congress is helpless. Thanks John Roberts. 3.) Obama is a cult figure, and I have no idea why. For a man who has done nothing GOOD, he’s adored by every single man and woman in the US. It’s a sad commentary on us, the American voter.

    • “Seriously, Spielfreak will probably direct his movie…”

      Oh goody, a Jewish Leni Reifenstahl. I’m sure Leni…er..Steven will do a bang-up documentary he’ll title “Triumph of the Swill.”

    • I agree with many of the points that you are making. But what you miss is the fact that the GOP primary voters made it easy for voters to choose Obama. Not only did they choose a man who has always favoured central planning and big government but they chose a man who would let the neocons that conned the public into supporting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to dictate foreign policy. They chose a man without principles to oppose a president who had no principles. The GOP primary voters chose a man who would grow spending for the next eight years to oppose a man who could only grow spending for the next four years. And they made a president who had kill lists and funded terrorists look like the peace candidates.

      The way I see it GOP voters have nothing to blame but their own unprincipled arrogance and stupidity.

  8. ” The Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower.”

    If only that were true.

    America could be more than adequately defended for $200B.

    Why should I pay for the crazed dominionist dreams of the Trotskyite neocon nutjobs?

    • Bill, back slowly away from the keyboard and take your meds. The nice young men in the white coats are here to take you away to a happy place.

  9. Exactly. I was very surprised at how many people voted to give Obama another chance especially the Hispanics. I thought for sure after 2008 when he did nothing for them that they would see the folly of selling your vote for empty promises. The blacks have been doing that for the Democrat Party for decades and where are they? Too bad. But just like they say in AA. You have to hit bottom first and we are now well on our way.

    • Again, people are so blind. He did “nothing for hispanics?” He singlehandly allowed the children of illegals a pathway to legitimacy and the ability to work and go to school without being deported.

      Not every lunatic statement can be answered, but some of you folks are really uninformed. Stay out of “Red State” and “Free Republic” and get into the real world.

  10. You realize Koch was joking, don’t you? Irony is lost on you lot.

    What’s striking in this post-election stuff is how childish it is, petulant and defiant. Where’s the conservative stoicism, the stiff upper lip, the Burkean understanding that the world is imperfect, the thought that maybe at least some of “the people” know something you don’t?

    • I have NEVER heard such “whining, hand-wringing, whoa-is-me, I’m a victim, the world is ending, America is ending” talk in my life. Republicans, Conservatives and Tea-types have turned into a bunch of . . . kitties !

  11. Mr. Thiessen, so much of what you said can be disputed or is just plain wrong. Here’s just one example. You stated, as if it is a hard fact, that exit polls show by a margin of 63-33, Americans do not want to raise taxes. You don’t make any attempt to source this or any of the “stuff” included willy nilly in your list. HOWEVER, on the tax issue – 47% of Americans support letting Bush tax cuts expire for those making over $250,000, 13% support letting Bush tax cuts expire for ALL Americans – which means 60% of Americans support a tax increase on those making over $250,000 per year, while only 35% think no one’s taxes should be raised. These facts are easy to source; just use Google or Yahoo and search for “2012 exit polls on how Americans feel about raising taxes no wealthy”; one website I’m SURE you will trust is FoxNews.com – check out Nov 7th article on Exit Polls. One thing you said does match how Americans feel right now. The deficit is just not on the top priority list. The feelings are that the increased tax revenue should be used to address sequestration issues, certain tax issues (fixing ATM, extending certain tax credits) and for targeted investment in jobs bill, including infrastructure, research and education. I am so excited about the next few years; IF Congress and the President can make a “deal” on just some of his proposed agenda, that, along with the slowly increasing economic growth already predicted, will really make ALL economic numbers look better each year. IF he got reelected with the economy where it is now, in 2016 when EVERY economic indicator will be MUCH better, then whoever the Democratic candidate is (please, please, be Hillary?!) should trounce whichever wing of the Republican Party survives the coming intra-party bloodbath (aka . . . Republican Party soul searching).

  12. Ask yourselves:
    What kind of country do you want?

    1) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html

    Now go to 2) https://twitter.com/PatrickH63/status/267265563473100803/photo/1

    and see 3) http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/11/09/who_lost_the_bain_issue_romney.html

    and 4) http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/11/09/robert_murray_is_history_s_greatest_monster.html

    It’s called a “social contract” folks. And no, you’re never really QUITE on your own no matter what you think.

    All trees get blown around by the same wind.

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